I don't know if all pairs of these are like the ones that I have used but if they are then the B8 stuff sounds better than this. They are certainly heavy and loud enough to cut over a full marching band and they may sound alright from a distance but from anywhere near them they sound absolutely awful. Even people not familiar with cymbal sounds think they sound bad. I will say that the finish does look very nice but that is not worth a subpar sound. In adition some techniques, such as scrapes, are much harder to accomplish with these due to the smoother surface.